Friday, August 19, 2011

(Failing to) Defend the Death Penalty

Over at Anna Raccoon's place, a chap called James Garry has come up with a well-written piece defending the death penalty. However, I don't find it convincing and in order to show why, it is probably most effective to look at the final four paragraphs:
The converse is also true: If you do not use the death penalty to deter crime, then you run the very real risk that innocent people will die in the future because their murderer has no real fear of the consequences of his crime. It cuts both ways.
There are a couple of problems with this. Firstly, it is possible for a potential murderer to fear the consequences of his (or her - women kill too, you know) action without the threat of the noose. I know there is this myth that prison is some sort of holiday camp and while some prisoners have privileges that might seem undeserved, prison is still that - prison. It is being denied your freedom and being incarcerated in close proximity to other prisoners, the vast majority of who will be unpleasant individuals at the very least. Death is not the only deterrent - a lengthy prison sentence would probably deter many.

But then again (and this is the second problem) there is the very real question of whether those who commit crimes are truly thinking of the consequences - in part because those consequences only become applicable if that person is caught. This then leads to the question of just how many criminals - murderers or otherwise - actually believe they will be caught before they commit their crimes. And it is no good pointing to those criminals who have been caught who now talk about consequences - those consequences will, no doubt, have become very real to them since their capture. No doubt the response to this is the idea that if just one murderer is deterred by the threat of the death penalty that it is worth it. More on this later.
As much as the anti-capital punishment brigade might not like it, supporters of the death penalty are wholly capable of dispassionate, rational thinking about the death penalty. I expect most supporters of the death penalty, similarly to me, want the death penalty reinstituted because of its success as a deterrent. We do not salivate at the prospect of the noose. Instead, I think we look a little further into the future than our opponents do.
I don't doubt that there are some supporters of the death penalty who are simply interested in its capacities as a deterrent - although whether they constitute "most" of them is disputable. But there are definitely some who salivate at "the prospect of the noose". Still, all this is conjecture; I don't know about the psychological make-up and reasoning of all those who support the death penalty, and nor does Garry. I would suggest, though, that "dispassionate, rational thinking" is of essential yet limited use when it comes to considering the death penalty. The use of empathy is also important when it comes to understanding what it would be like to feel the ultimate sanction of the state for a crime you are wholly innocent of. Far too often I see the case for the death penalty presented presented in utlitarian terms - that it is ok to execute a few innocent people if a greater number of people are saved. I find such ideas - which effectively amount to the sacrifice by the state of some citizens for the greater good - deeply troubling at best, and morally repugnant at worst.
Looking into the future we see the face of an innocent girl who has not yet been murdered. We conclude that if the threat of the death penalty could prevent her killer from killing her, then it is essential that we have a death penalty.
We could also look into the future and see the innocent misfit in the condemned cell, facing their last night on this planet before the heavy hand of the state snaps their neck for a crime they didn't commit. But let's not get too emotional here; let's actually look at an example of a child killer and ask whether the death penalty would have deterred them.

Ian Brady is often mentioned when people advocate the death penalty, and rightly so. Brady is a repellent human being - an immoral, sadistic child killer. If you want to make the case for hanging child killers, then Brady is a good place to start. And if the death penalty would have deterred Brady from killing, then it would be worth it, surely? If the threat of execution was enough to stop Brady from killing five young people, it has to be worth it, right?

Except that Brady was arrested on 7th October, 1965 - just over a month before the death penalty was abolished. In other words, all of Brady's crimes were committed when the death penalty was in place. Indeed, his most notorious crime (the horrific murder of five year old Lesley Ann Downey) was committed on 26th December, 1964 - nearly a year before the death penalty was abolished and also nearly a year before the last death sentence was handed down. I know the 1957 Homicide Act reduced the applications of the death penalty, but Brady would still have been eligible for the rope from the moment he killed his second victim. Did the death penalty deter Brady? Doesn't look like it. So if we look to the past, and that poor little girl walking into the clutches of the Moors Murderers on Boxing Day 1964 we see an example of the death penalty being, well, not really a deterrent. And that's before you consider the fact that Brady wants to die.
If you are concerned with protecting the innocent and the gentle and the law-abiding, you ought to support the death penalty.
Oh, please. To support the innocent, gentle and lawabiding we need to back the state murdering its own citizens? Self-defeating nonsense.

And I want to repeat myself - there is something deeply wrong with the idea that we should empower the state to take the lives of its citizens. The fact that the state already has this power (through such things as denying cancer sufferers the drugs that could save them, for example) doesn't then make it ok - in fact it simply further makes the case that we should be restricting the power of the state rather than increasing it. And owing to the general incompetence of the state and the fallibility of the humans who constitute it, we need to be very careful before we return to that state the power to take the lives of its citizens in a ritualistic manner for the greater good.

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6 Comments:

At 12:07 pm , Blogger Longrider said...

For me the most repugnant was the appeal to emotion - the poor little murdered girl in the future. A problem readily resolved by full life tariffs. We cannot know what will happen in the future and cannot use this mythical little girl (it is always a little girl, isn't it?) as an excuse for a return to barbarity.

Also the rather wonderful assertion that it would be unfortunate for someone to be executed by mistake. Yes, very unfortunate. Not least because while that unfortunate is dancing the Tyburn jig, the real perpetrator is out there looking for htat mythical little future girl safe in the knowledge that no one is looking for him. Those who dismiss the miscarriage of justice tend to overlook that huge hole in their argument - the guilty is still at large free to commit more atrocities, as, indeed, did Christie.

Garry's piece is riddled with holes, frankly. Well written, maybe, but deeply flawed and somewhat arrogant.

 
At 1:10 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

The fact that it is always a little girl is one of the things that bothers me about the Guido approach to capital punishment (ie hang the cop and child killers) - it almost seems to be predicated on the idea that some lives are worth more than others.

The Christie case is a good one to use; he was very clearly aware of the death penalty as he gave evidence that helped his lodger to the gallows, yet still went on killing. It did not a deter him. In that case, the gallows actually helped him.

I also struggle to see the logic of talking about how rational death penalty supporters are (and there are plenty who aren't) and then ending the article with such a blatant and unpleasant appeal to emotion with the little girl analogy. Seems to be more than a little contradictory as far as I can see.

TNL

 
At 2:07 pm , Blogger James Higham said...

Yes it shouldn't be based on emotion, even if it is to be based at all.

 
At 12:34 pm , Anonymous James Garry said...

"I would suggest, though, that "dispassionate, rational thinking" is of essential yet limited use when it comes to considering the death penalty."

This is to misunderstand the point I made. My point was made in response to Daz Pearce (also on Anna Raccoon) who said that in the capital punishment debate, those opposed to capital punishment were more rational, less inclined towards reactionary emotion.

I merely refuted his claim. That's not to say - as you seem to imply - I think that opinions about the death penalty should be (or can be) formed of pure reason. Emotion is as indispensable as reason.

"We could also look into the future and see the innocent misfit in the condemned cell, facing their last night on this planet before the heavy hand of the state snaps their neck for a crime they didn't commit."

Have you not read what I wrote? In my original article I invoked the image of a future victim of a murderer precisely because the anti -capital punishment lobby choose to focus on those who are wrongly put do death because of the death penalty. They forget, I think, that if you don't have a death penalty then it is inevitable too that an innocent person will die.

By not paying attention you are giving the argument a circular formation.

As for Ian Brady: You are arguing with me as though I said that the death penalty deters all murderers from murdering. I did not and it does not. No system is perfect and there were people who were willing to take their chances against being hanged, or who didn't much care if they hanged.

Still, capital punishment deters more people than does prison (no one has presented a satisfactory rebuttal of the statistics which show this).

"there is something deeply wrong with the idea that we should empower the state to take the lives of its citizens."

But the state's power - in a judicial context - is kept in check by the jury system.

If the state's use of capital punishment deters some people from murdering (you surely must accept it does), then is it not also deeply wrong that we allow more innocent people to be murdered than could otherwise be the case?

 
At 1:06 pm , Anonymous James Garry said...

Here is "Longrider" again (I am sure we met over on Anna Raccoon).

Well, if you don't like the image of the little girl you can replace it with an old man. The argument still holds.

"We cannot know what will happen in the future and cannot use this mythical little girl (it is always a little girl, isn't it?) as an excuse for a return to barbarity."

We cannot know *who* will be murdered in the future because of the lack of a death penalty. However, we know from statistics that more people were murdered in Britain upon the abolition of the death penalty. We can confidently assert that unspecified innocent people will die because of the absence of a death penalty to deter their murderers.

This is an advantage the abolitionists have over those in favour: The abolitionists can cite real human beings - with names, histories, families - who have been put to death wrongly. Those in favour of the death penalty cannot exploit the same sorts of sentiment about hypothetical people in the future.

We have met before, "Longrider", I remember you now. You were obsessed about the verb "unfortunate". You have not forsaken your obsession, I see.

"Those who dismiss the miscarriage of justice tend to overlook that huge hole in their argument - the guilty is still at large free to commit more atrocities, as, indeed, did Christie."

Did I dismiss the miscarriage of justice? No. I think miscarriages of justice are unavoidable. There is a subtle but important difference.

Your quote (above) applies equally to miscarriages of justice whether the wrong person has been sentenced or hanged.

I wonder would Mr "Longrider" please explain what are the "holes" in my argument and why he thinks I am arrogant? How does he know I am arrogant?

Am I arrogant because I hold a difference of opinion to him?

 
At 2:34 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

James,

I do despair of your tactic of "have you not read what I wrote?" I saw you using it over at Anna's site as well. It's a pretty lame tactic, and deep down I think you know that people like myself (who, after all, quotes your article at length) have read what you've said - we just disagree with you. And it is not a case of not paying attention - we think you are wrong.

I think you misunderstand what I've written, though. Yes, innocent people will die in the future, but the question is whether we empower the state to potentially kill other innocent people. You say that I must accept that the death penalty deters murderers - yes, it deters some murderers but not all. But even that the fact that it deters doesn't make it right. The death penalty is an issue that requires emotion and empathy to truly understand, as well as an examination of the morality behind the state being allowed to kill its own citizens. It is not just a utlitarian calculation.

The simple fact is that the death penalty will not stop innocent people being killed. It may prevent some, but not all. The reality is that we cannot stop some people murdering others. What we can choose is to avoid giving the state the power to execute. We have the power here to prevent the state killing innocent people. We can't always prevent the first type of slaying; we can always with the second type.

TNL

 

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