Saturday, December 05, 2009

EDL and UAF: Two Sides of the Same Stupid Coin

Despite wandering around Nottingham city centre for most of the day, I managed to miss this:
Police have clashed with members of the English Defence League during a protest in Nottingham, with 11 people arrested.
And you know what? I am pretty pleased not to have got involved with either side of this pointless bloody protest. Let's start with having a pop at the Evil Dangerous Loonies English Defence League:
Some 300 demonstrators from the EDL marched through the city centre shouting: "We want our country back."
I'm sorry, but have you actually lost your country? Because walking around Nottingham is not a particularly cosmopolitan experience. The town is overwhelmingly British; and white British at that. Demanding your country back is pretty hysterical and ignorant at the best of times; demanding your country back when you haven't lost it seems to be downright stupid.

Let's take a look as some words of "wisdom" from one chinless, EDL-supporting wonder:
"I think it's disgusting. I look at their protest and there's a Pakistani flag flying with a Muslim symbol. Their protest isn't against the EDL, they're protesting against the troops and it's anti-British."
That's a big leap, isn't it? From seeing a Pakistani flag (that probably would have a Muslim symbol on it for obvious reasons) to seeing a protest is disloyal to troops (we aren't fighting in Pakistan, you poor ignorant fool) and anti-British. Sometimes a foreign flag is just that, rather than a call for an Islamic revolution in Britain.

But it isn't just the EDL who have displayed their moronic tendencies today. We also have had the Union of Accidental Fascists Unite Against Fascism lot out and about today:
Michael Vickery, from the UAF, said: "It's not good enough not to have any kind of a response (to the EDL presence) because basically, if we don't have a protest then it's letting them come into town and say 'this is our place for the day', which it isn't, it belongs to everyone in Nottingham."
It is possible to have respond to the EDL without having an antagonistic protest. This blogpost would be a good example. I'm calling the EDL a bunch of hysterical, bigoted morons without leaving my front room. And just because the EDL chose to have a protest in Nottingham doesn't mean that they own the place for the day. Just as the anti-war protestors camped outside of Parliament definitely do not own Westminster. The danger with the UAF is that they are trying to strangle the EDL's right to spout their terrible shite. And in doing so are showing themselves to be just as ignorant as the EDL, albeit in a very different way.

See, this is democracy. Both the EDL and the UAF have a right to protest; just as I have a democratic right to say that I wish that both groups would learn to get over themselves and find something better to do with their time than wasting police resources on a Saturday afternoon.

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4 Comments:

At 9:25 pm , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your post is totally confused. You want to live in a world where neither the EDL nor the UAF interrupt your Christmas shopping?

You think writing a blog is an alternative to actually doing something?

You think we have freedom of speech? Would you want to print this blog out and carry it on a sign through an EDL demo?

You would rather that racist thugs and anti fascist protesters didn't exist, and see no difference between them?

You think that had there been no counter protest your few confused lines would have have been an adequate response to edl thugs taking over your town for a day?

Do you want a bucket of sand to keep your head in when its not too bust missing the blindingly obvious?

 
At 9:50 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Your response is totally confused. Probably because you didn't read my post properly.

I wasn't doing Christmas shopping today. I was in Nottingham, and didn't notice any protest or counter-protest. Therefore the EDL did not take over the town where I live (not my town, for fuck's sake) for the day.

I want to live in a world where both the EDL and the UAF are able to say what they want to say, and I am able to tell them both to shut up.

I wouldn't carry anything provocative through either a UAF protest or an EDL one. I'm all for freedom of speech; I don't want to be provocative for the sake of it. But you are wrong to see the UAF as bastions of considerate protest and the EDL as thugs. From what I've heard, neither are exactly friendly protestors.

The UAF aren't anti-fascist if they are trying to suppress the right of others to protest - even if it is for ignorant reasons. In that circumstance, they are being fascists themselves.

Blogging is an action; it is just not as provocative or confrontational as going to shout at the EDL like a tiresome tit.

But again, you would know that had you actually read the post. But I guess stopping and weighing up what I have to say is not as much fun as slipping into a slightly hysterical rant that ticks off all the UAF cliches.

 
At 12:28 am , Blogger Unknown said...

As you missed it video of EDL march in Nottingham, looked a bit hairy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzvj06Ngt98

 
At 1:24 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Bystander,

Your link didn't seem to work but rest assured I saw footage of Saturday's shenanigans on the news. Even if I hadn't, I probably could have guessed that two mutually antagonistic groups coming together under the watchful eye of a group of wired plods in a small city centre probably would create some tension and some conflict...

TNL

 

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