Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Against David Harvey, Against Marxism

Here you can see BBC’s HardTalk doing an interview with Marxist “author and academic” David Harvey. He’s the one in the natty waistcoat, in the highly unlikely event that you cannot work who is who.

First things first, it is probably worth questioning the extent to which this chap actually is a Marxist. Sure, he really doesn’t like capitalism, but that in and of itself is not enough to categorise someone as a Marxist. Harvey states “I’m a sort of a Marxist, I guess,” and professes to reading a lot of Marx. As far as I can see, with his reliance on conversations about the future and the need to push the overthrow of capitalism, Harvey’s not an orthodox Marxist; Marx argued that the demise of capitalism was inevitable and would happen regardless of the impact of individuals. In fact, that’s one of the things I find so dispiriting about Marxism; it denies human agency to a large extent.

Still, Harvey doesn’t seem to mind being called a Marxist, and he does defend Marxism, particularly when he says that it is “not a belief system… (it’s) a scientific explanation of how capitalism works.” This is very Marxist, in fairness – Marx and his followers tended to believe that Marx was a scientist uncovering the laws of history. Of course, the notion of Marxism as science is bollocks, quite frankly. The laws Marx laid down about the progress of history have been comprehensive disproved: capitalism has shown itself to be far more resilient than Marx ever thought it would be. The notion of Marxism as scientific is entirely down to his followers repeating, mantra like, that it is a science until people actually started to believe them. Of course, such methods don’t actually make a belief system scientific – otherwise Intelligent Design would be scientific, rather than a meek attempt to make Christianity a little more credible in a scientific world.

What is clear is that Harvey really doesn’t like capitalism. There are a number of different reasons for it; capitalism is unequal, businesses are protected by governments thus limiting competition, capitalism doesn’t make everyone happy, competition is bad, capitalism damages the environment and so and so on. Some of these objections I can sympathise with to some extent, others not at all. But the problem with Harvey and his ilk is that they have decided that they have truth – that capitalism is bad. And everything, everything has to fit in with that truth. Which leads to all sorts of incredible claims – such as the idea that Adam Smith was actually about wealth distribution and that Chairman Mao actually did a lot for his people despite being a brutal dictator. Any subtlety, and shades of grey are not allowed – capitalism is bad. It has to be replaced.

Which leads to all sorts of logical cul-de-sacs and delusions in the worldview of Professor Harvey. For example, he attacks the idea that capitalism can continue to grow at the same time as bemoaning the fact during the last crisis of capitalism that the number of billionaires in India doubled. But how else did those billionaires attain that status except through the growth of capitalism?

There is a childish side to Harvey’s “Marxist” outlook; it is a black and white worldview, a world of goodies (Harvey, but of course) vs baddies (the nasty capitalists). It is all absolutes: he cannot talk about reform of the system, it has to go. Even though Harvey has no real idea of what to replace it with. Even though when people do try to replace capitalism with this formless, undefined utopia, it goes horrifically wrong.

To me, the interview with Harvey highlights the extent to which Marxism is like a religion; it deals in supposedly concrete concepts of good and bad, and it requires substantial faith in a future world rather than living in, and working with, reality. Harvey is exactly wrong; Marxism is not a scientific theory, it is a belief system. Critique capitalism by all means, but you need to come up with something more meaningful than “let’s get rid of it and hope for the best”.

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14 Comments:

At 12:42 pm , Anonymous The Jaunt said...

I guess I'd take the viewpoint, as a left-winger, that capitalism isn't bad, but a lot of people who use it to exploit others are most certainly intentioned with evil. This would also apply to socialism.

I think it's a rather left-wing thing to absolve all blame from people, humans, and claim that a "system" is what causes evil and exploitation. As someone who doesn't adhere to this thought, I can tell you that in many people there's a well lodged evil and tribalism, as well as there being many good things in humans.

 
At 3:54 pm , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A caricatured perspective of what Marxism is followed by the typical, and just as dull, put-downs of the theory.

There’s no skill in criticising a few short sentences in an informal interview, try mounting a critique based on his published scholarship.

 
At 4:02 pm , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I made a mistake; very little of what you write relates to anything Harvey said at all. The post is about your impression of him and your (ignorant) impression of his political position.

 
At 4:38 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

The Jaunt,

You're right - capitalism is a human construct and people are responsible for that system. As I mention in my post, this removal of human agency is an aspect of Marxism that I find troubling. To blame systems is to remove human responsibility for those systems.

TNL

 
At 4:51 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Anonymous,

First of all, you're right - this is not a scholarly deconstruction of Harvey's work. It is, instead, a critique of what is said in "an informal interview". Then again, that shouldn't be a surprise because it is an "informal" blogpost.

However, my criticisms of Harvey are based entirely on what he says in said interview. His assertions are contradictory and typical of people like him (and, I suspect, you) who think in absolutes; in this case, those believe that capitalism is bad and must be replaced. Harvey denies the complexity of capitalism; his views (as expressed in the interview) are therefore tiresome and typical of those who see the world in binary dualisms. I'm not sure where you get the idea that what I've written does not relate to what Harvey has said - it clearly does - I can only conclude that either you haven't watched the interview and/or read my post properly.

As for the "caricatured perspective" of what Marxism is; well, I only really reveal one of my concerns with Marxism (and it is a problem I have with orthodox Marxism rather than the whole body of Marxist thought). To call my perspective in Marxism caricatured is premature on your part; you don't even know what my perspective is.

But then again that's what you do, isn't it? You don't try to engage in debate, you simply write off opinions with which you do not agree with terse but vacant putdowns. If you have an issue with what I've written, then talk about the particulars of it - what actually bothers you, in detail, about the contents of the post. Your two comments are even more vacant than anything Harvey has to offer. At least, as the interview shows, he is willing to engage in a dialogue. You don't seem to be.

Which is utterly pathetic.

TNL

 
At 6:08 pm , Blogger cheeky chappy said...

I used to be a real left winger, but having spent a great deal of time examining my own belief system and the reasons why I was so attracted to Marxism, I slowly began to realise 2 specific things.

1) Marxism has a great deal to offer in terms of highlighting the inequalities of the capitalist system and the ways in which it perpetuates itself through the use of ideology and false consciousness. In a way the theory of marxism represents a good check and balancing system, as it were. A bit ying and yang, if you get what I'm saying?

2) The reason Marxism/socialism/communism will never work is because it suffers from the same inherent failings that plague capitalism. Namely the inherent problems and issues that stem from imperfect human behaviour/nature.

Socialists would probably agree that as a theory capitalism, or the idea that people are paid a fair wage for their labours and are respected by their bosses, and/or what they produce is sold at a slight profit, which goes back into creating more products to be sold is fundamentally sound. After all in a nut shell that is the basis of capitalism. Therefore, there is nothing intrinsically evil within that system. The problem, as most marxist/socialists see it is when the bosses get greedy and seek to maximise profit through exploiting their workers. Again, arguably a fair point and one that most people would agree with. However, that is not the fault of capitalism. Capitalism is a largely abstract economic system, which in itself has no power. It only begins to take shape and mean anything when human beings start to act upon the ideas within the theory. I hope that makes sense to people.

The problem is the greed of humans and their willingness to exploit others, not the system itself. This is what marxism seeks to highlight. I have no problem with that and to a large extent, as I say, I agree with.

Ironically, marxism fails to realise that the same issues caused by imperfect human nature, would ultimately infest a socialist system. Both capitalism and marxism are built upon a belief that society functions as a harmonous whole, much like ant or bee colonies and that any deviation is only temporary glitch. Unfortunately, society doesn't function that way, human beings are not at all like ants, we are a group of individuals with individual needs, beliefs and motivations, and that is largely why these grand narratives will never work.

Until we can find a way to genetically engineer humans so that they are all the same, with the same needs and ability to work as one collective, inequality will never be removed. Much better is to accept that these inequalities are a fact of life, be honest about it, don't try and sugarcoat the pill and simply get on with it. Life is unfair and cruel and hard, sorry but that's the truth and nothing you do, short of genetic engineering, will ever change that.

 
At 8:18 pm , Blogger TonyF said...

Groucho would not be impressed...

 
At 9:11 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

cheeky chappy,

There is a lot of wisdom in what you say. I'd agree that Marxism can offer a critique of capitalism, and I do believe that Marxism does still offer valuable insights into the nature of capitalism - in particular, the idea of alienation and labour is extremely relevant today.

You're right in diagnosing the intrinsic problem of system change; it is predicated on the idea that people are perfectible, yet there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that this is the case. Regardless of what system is put in place, you're still going to have ever fallible humans within that system.

One of the biggest problems I have with Marxism, though, is the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat. I like the end result of Marxism, the withering of the state sounds great to me. But this dictatorship is precisely where Marxist states go wrong. According to Marx, that stage is essential to communism, yet any dictatorship is by definition dictatorial and there is the problem of what to do with those who do not agree with the aims of the dictatorship. From there, it is only one small step towards atrocity.

TNL

 
At 3:03 pm , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harvey and Marx are far better at offering doubt above dogma, than their critics give them credit for. Marx does not claim to know absolute universal truths. Post 20th century thinkers have all given up the idea of a deterministic future. Nevertheless, Marx description of forces which inevitably lead to capitalist crisis, are relevant now more than ever.

What they offer is a description of capitalism and its inherently self destructive tendencies. Marx himself was extremely well versed in the classical political economists, any full study of classical economics should include the Marxist critique. Sadly the high school basketball coach is not capable of articulating anything but a gross caricature of Marx.

 
At 5:49 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Anonymous,

My interpretation (based on years of study of his work) of Marx simply does not tally with your own view. While you can argue that the young Marx - the author who inspired the genuinely challenging and deeply intelligent work of the Frankfurt School - was more critical than dogmatic, the Marx of The Communist Manifesto onwards is extremely dogmatic. He has found the truth, based on economic determinism, and anyone who might disagree with him is naive, or being consumed by false consciousness, or both. Indeed, he even argues for a dictatorship (at least initially) to implement his plans.

Hardly the work of an open-minded critic, eh?

TNL

 
At 11:27 pm , Blogger read and draw said...

having lived in a communist country and seen its evils I expected to find fault with Marx critique of capital and david Harvey. On close and unbiased inspection I realise that so much of what they discuss is coherent, poignant to our society today and should not be prejudged or dismissed. Marxs work is first and foremost an analysis of the problematic nature of capital. It is is more complex and multifaceted than many understand it to be. Hence the misunderstandings and rash judgements.

 
At 1:19 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Read and draw,

First up, I'm not prejudging Marx. In fact, I have (as I am having to say yet again) read a massive amount of Marx's work. Which is why (if you read the comments here) I concede that in some areas Marx had some good points. You can't write as prolifically as Marx did and not occasionally hit the nail on the head.

And given the reading I have done, I think you misrepresent Marx's core position. His work is not primarily about capital - it is an attempt to draw up a scientific theory of history. Capital plays a crucial part in that, but so do a whole host of other concepts.

The problem I have with Marx (to repeat myself yet again) is firstly the spurious claim to have invented a scientific method which then, secondly, leads to Marxism as dogma. Marxists can argue 'til they are blue in the face that the regimes of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are all distortions of Marxism, but they can all be justified by that crucial passage in The Communist Manifesto that calls for the dictatorship of the proletariat.

So by all means enjoy some of Marx's work and ideas, but please don't pretend he was primarily focussed throughout his career on capital. He wanted to change the world. Or, given his denial of human agency, he wanted the world to change. That is the central motif of his work, and since that motif enshrines dictatorship, it is that with which I have the biggest problem.

TNL

 
At 1:15 am , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the author has read Marx he certainly has not understood Marx or his method. Picking out the sentences that help assemble this shallow caricature does not add to the advancement of mankind one jot.

 
At 4:11 pm , Blogger The Nameless Libertarian said...

Anonymous,

Could you sound any more pompous?

Yes, I've read Marx and yes, I have understood Marx. It is just that, despite having some good elements in what he wrote, I think his theory is fatally flawed. You might not agree, but that doesn't change the fact that he has, at least by me, been read, understood and his theories have been placed within their historical context "by the author".

And as for the advancement of mankind, please. More deterministic bollocks that reflects reality in no way whatsoever.

TNL

 

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